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(Near Death Experience) / (Out-of-Body Experience)

This is the MOST wonderful information in the history of the world!
The knowledge that "life" doesn't end at death is the most empowering thing for us on this planet.

What do I mean?
I mean if we KNOW that life doesn't end at death, why should we be afraid to die?

Can you imagine the changes in this world if everyone KNEW life didn't end at death?

Caveat:  That doesn't mean that one should be in any hurry to die.  Keep reading and find out why.

What is an NDE?

Dr. Raymond Moody coined the term "Near Death Experience".  Basically, what it is is this:  A person dies, their spirit separates from their body and they have an experience in that state.  Then, they come back into their body, usually resuscitated by humans, but not always by humans.  Sometimes the resuscitation defies all logic and scientific explanation.

Don't confuse the NDE with the OBE.

The OBE is an out-of-body experience.  This differs from the NDE in that the body does not die when the spirit separates, usually for a very brief period of time.  The OBE experience is sometimes similar to the NDE, but does not include as many of the same experiences.

NDE StatisticsAccording to Vince Migliore , the following statistics apply to NDEs:

Mr. Migliore takes his statistics from the International Association for Near Death Studies (IANDS).  [2001]

787 NDE experiencers had been interviewed.

54% had good, positive, blissful experiences.

37.3% had mixed experiences.

8.6% had bad, negative, and/or frightening experiences. *(see footnote)

There are some common elements of most NDE's, but everyone's NDE is different, almost as if it was tailored to the individual.


* According to Dr. Kimberly Clark Sharp's research, as much as 14% of NDE experiencers have frightening NDE experiences (out of 2000 people interviewed).  [published on YouTube in 2009 but looks much older, like from the 1990's].

* According to IANDS' own website, there have been multiple studies reporting the following rates of negative/frightening NDEs:
17%,18%, 30%, 8.6%, and 15%.

I have taken the liberty of calculating the mean of all six statistics (14+17+18+30+8.6+15) 6 = 17.1%

More Info:

A large study conducted in the Netherlands showed that 18% of people who suffered a cardiac arrest and were clinically dead had later reported an NDE.

According IANDS' website, no two NDEs are identical and there is no element that is common to all NDEs.

Personal Feelings about
People making money off of their NDE

I have mixed feelings about people who have NDEs and then publish books and/or go on speaking tours to make money off of their NDE experience.  I do not think that God looks favorably on people profiting from their spiritual experiences.  I understand that people need to eat and they need a shelter to live in, but you'd think that this kind of information ought to be given freely, free of charge, out of love.

I also understand that perhaps the best way to get the word out is by writing a book, BUT $62.53 for a book about one person's NDE seems a bit exorbitant, doesn't it?  (That's the price of "A Room Nearby" by Daniel and Kathy Baker on Amazon).

I believe that all NDE knowledge and research ought to be given freely and free of charge, so without purchasing a single book by someone profiting from their own NDE, I present what information I have gathered from various sources.  When I know the source, I quote it.  Other information is from my own experiences and reflect my own thoughts on the matter.

My Own OBE:

I saw Hell and I saw Heaven.

(Free of Charge, by the way!)

You must understand the things I was going through at the time.  I had graduated from university (BYU), but could not find a job in my field (teaching).  I ended up working as a bus boy making minimum wage (it was not enough to support myself), so I was living at mom and dad's, until my dad yelled at me for no good reason (Oh! he had a reason all right, but it was completely inane and he had NO foundation to be yelling at me and censuring me, NONE!)  I moved out that same day, put everything I owned into the back of my Ford Escort and went far away to look for work in another state.

I had no decent job, no friends, no family, no girlfriend.  I had to work graveyard shift for minimum wage (again) and barely had enough money to pay for a room in a house.  I was in credit card debt up to my eyeballs and had no hope for a bright future.  So, what did I do?  Well, being a Mormon (at the time) I knew that suicide was out of the question, for I would go straight to hell.  So, every morning before I went to sleep, (remember I worked graveyard shift), I prayed that God would just take me in my sleep and put me out of my misery.  After about a month of praying thusly every morning and crying myself to sleep, I had an experience.  I'm not sure how to classify it.  Did I die?  I don't know.  But, I certainly left my body and was sent straight to hell.  I didn't realize it was hell at the time (only when I awoke).  That was twenty two years ago and I still remember the experience very clearly in my mind.

It started with me in a very dark place.  I felt as if it had no boundary.  It was immense darkness and I could see no boundary.  Although there was no light source, I could see in this dark place.  It was like a wilderness of rock and soil, no plants or animals.  I walked along a pathway until I came to a river.  It was a deep and murky river, and it was quite wide.  I stood at the edge of the river for a long time wondering what to do next.  I don't know how long, but it was long enough for me to wonder what this place was and why I was there.

Then, as I looked to see what was on the other side of the river, I saw a dark, gossamer figure coming toward me in a boat.  Finally, he arrived at the shore and bade me board the boat, which I did, not really feeling like I had a choice.  I mean to go back where I had come from meant going into the dark void.

When we arrived at the other shore, he bade me disembark, which I did.  I walked around my new environment.  It felt as if it was to be my new home.  Nobody told me that.  It was strange how I just "knew" things.  I decided to become familiar with my new environment.  It was very dirty.  I mean there was garbage laying around everywhere and nobody seemed to care.  Yes, I finally became aware that there were others in this waste land.  All the people were engrossed in themselves.  Nobody paid me any attention.  They didn't even acknowledge my existence.  There were people of all walks of life, all races, and both genders.  I saw two people talking (about themselves mostly, complaining about their lives), and I went up to them and asked, "Where is my house?"  They just ignored me, as if I wasn't even there.

So, I began to collect materials to build my own house.  I collected dirty, crumpled up paper, cardboard, discarded boards, bent nails, anything that I could find laying on the ground.  After a while, I felt that I had collected enough materials.  I needed tools.  I went looking for tools.  I asked, "Anybody know where I can get a hammer?"  Again, I was ignored.  So, I picked up a rock and used it to hammer in the nails.

After some time, it was finished.  It wasn't pretty, but it would serve it's purpose.  It would be my house, where I could retire to and be alone, if I wanted to.  So, I entered my newly constructed abode.  I felt good.  I was lonely, but I was the king of my own shack.

No sooner had I entered my shack and sat down to rest, but hundreds of people came running toward me.  My view was limited to the doorway of my shack, which had no door.  People came rushing in, screaming, fighting to be the first to come in.  They all wanted to have MY house that I had built with my own hands.  People got stuck in the door and I was horrified.  Some had come in and it was getting crowded, and I'm claustrophobic.  I began to scream, "Get out of my house!"

And I awoke so scared and sweating.

It wasn't until twenty years later that I would recognize the full significance of that experience; But at that time, I had enough sense to stop praying for death, because if that was where I was headed, then I didn't want to die.

Twenty years later

Approximately twenty years later, I had another experience.  This time, I'm pretty sure that I didn't die, but I'm convinced that I left my body.

I was in a beautiful, well-manicured town.  The flowers, the lawns, the houses, the gardens were all immaculate.  I walked along a pathway between the rows of houses, not a one the same as another, but all so beautifully constructed.  I knew exactly where I was going.  I was going to see MY house that was being constructed for me.

I arrived at my house and it was gorgeous!  Just as I would want my house to be.  It had siding of beautiful redwood singles that just glistened in the light, almost as if each one had been shellacked.  There was a beautiful, covered entry way and a nice driveway.  I didn't see anyone, so I went to the side gate and walked into the backyard.  There was the guy I was looking for.  He was doing the backyard landscape.  He asked me how I liked it.  It was nice, but honestly I would have done things differently.  I wanted a stream flowing around my backyard with intermittent pools of water, one big enough to wade in, kind of like a Jacuzzi.  I pictured it as I wanted it in my head as I looked around; but not wanting to hurt my friend's feelings, I said, "It looks great!"  After all, it wasn't like I was paying him.  He was building the house for me out of the goodness of his heart.  So, I didn't want to look a gift horse in the mouth, you know?

He smiled and said, "Come back tomorrow.  I should be finished by then."

So, the dream/vision skipped to the next day, and again I was walking up the same path to my new house.  As I walked into the backyard, it was exactly how I had envisioned it in my mind!  It was perfect!  I thought, "Now, I could spend eternity in a place like this!"

And I awoke.

What did it all mean?

Upon awaking and pondering the experience that I had just had, I realized what the first experience meant twenty years ago.  At that time I was selfish and only thought of myself.  Furthermore, I was filled with ill-feelings toward my parents (mostly my father).  I was full of negative emotions, mostly feeling sorry for myself.  So, where did God send me?  To the part of hell with all the other selfish people who only thought of themselves and what the world owed THEM.

By the time I had the second experience, I had learned to be selfLESS, to stop thinking about myself and think about other people.  My life had become about others, not myself.  At the same time, I was much happier, full of love and forgiveness for all people who'd ever hurt me.

I was reminded of the scripture, "In my father's house, there are many mansions.  There I go to prepare a place for you."  And there he was, preparing a place for me.

You see?  In hell there are no houses or mansions, or any kind of personal abode.  You are abodeless.

My experiences (above) are explained by one man's NDE:

Name of Experiencer Experience
Arthur Yensen Arthur had a conversation with a being that looked like a Greek god during his NDE.  It went like this:

Yensen asked, "How do you explain this intense happiness?"

He answered, "Your thoughts are vibrations which are controlled by the Master-Vibration. It neutralizes all negative thoughts and lets you think only the good thoughts, such as love, freedom and happiness."
Yensen asked, "Then what becomes of the old grouches?"

He answered, "If they are too bad they go to a realm of lower vibrations where their kind of thoughts can live. If they came here, the Master-Vibration would annihilate them. After death people gravitate into homogenous groups according to the rate of their soul's vibrations. If the percent of discord in a person is small, it can be eliminated by the Master-Vibration; then the remaining good can live on here. For example, if a person were 70% good and 30% bad, the bad could be eliminated by the Master-Vibration and the remaining good welcomed into heaven. However, if the percentage of bad were too high, this couldn't be done, and the person would have to gravitate to a lower level and live with people of his own kind.

"In the hereafter each person lives in the kind of a heaven or hell that he prepared for himself while on Earth. If you threw a small pebble into a threshing machine, it would go into the box - not because it is good or bad, but because of its proper size and weight. It's the same way here. No one sends you anywhere. You are sorted by the high or low vibrations of your soul. Everyone goes where he fits in! High vibrations indicate love and spiritual development, while low vibrations indicate debasement and evil." 



Religion and NDEs

There is a page by Jody A. Long, J.D., on the NDERF (Near Death Experience Research Foundation) website, which reports a survey study conducted by Jody, regarding religion before and after NDE.

I'm not going to reprint the data here; you can click on the link above and see the raw data.  What I find interesting is the numbers of people claiming religious affiliation BEFORE and AFTER the NDE.  The numbers increased for EVERY single religion including "Spiritual" AFTER the NDE.  What does that tell us?

It tells us that the Being or beings in the afterlife did not mention the ONE and TRUE religion.  Nobody comes back from an NDE and says, "God told me to join ______ religion."  We can infer from that fact that God doesn't really care which religion we belong to.

It ALSO tells us that many people tend to go back to or become more involved in their own religion, whatever that may be.  Not all go back to religion.  Out of 280 participants 7 gave no response for their religious preference after the NDE.  However, interestingly, no one reported being an Atheist after the NDE.  NO ONE!  The 7 who gave no response probably hadn't accommodated the experience into their psyche yet and hadn't made up their minds.

The question is:  Why?  (Why do people go back to or become more involved in THEIR OWN religion?)

Well, Jody gives her conclusions at the end of her "paper".  She concludes that people's religion plays a BIG part in how people interpret their experience.  However, she notes that after people have had an NDE, they are less interested in the dogma of the religion and more interested in the spirit of the religion.  (Her words, not mine).

Since God doesn't care which religion we belong to, what DOES He care about?  To put it another way, what is the message from the other side?

Well, let's read some reports of NDEs, shall we?  (I have only given the part relevant to the question above).

Name Excerpt of Experience
Jan Price Jan Price met a woman of "breathtaking beauty".  The woman told her:

""You have been only casually thankful for your gift of life. Be thankful each day for this great gift. Most people go through life never really appreciating it. The purpose of life is joy, and with spiritual understanding the physical senses are enhanced. Savor fully the loveliness of each experience. Self-awareness is the prayer of the heart, and to pray without ceasing is to play. Play with the joyful abandon of the child, absorbed in the delight of each moment. Let go of obligation and duty, and live for the pure joy of being."

and at the end of the visit:

""Remember, pray without ceasing. Play, love, laugh, live for the joy of it. Have fun. Happiness is holy."

Betty Eadie Betty Eadie met Jesus in heaven was given answers to all her questions.  This is part of what she learned:

"Above all, I was shown that love is supreme. I saw that truly without love we are nothing. We are here to help each other, to care for each other, to understand, forgive, and serve one another. We are here to have love for every person born on Earth. Their earthly form might be black, yellow, brown, handsome, ugly, thin, fat, wealthy, poor, intelligent, or ignorant, but we are not to judge by these appearances. Each spirit has the capacity to be filled with love and eternal energy. At the beginning, each possesses some degree of light and truth that can be more fully developed. We cannot measure these things. Only God knows the heart of man, and only God can judge perfectly. He knows our spirits; we see only temporary strengths and weaknesses. Because of our own limitations, we can seldom look into the heart of man.

"I knew that anything we do to show love is worthwhile: a smile, a word of encouragement, a small act of sacrifice. We grow by these actions. Not all people are lovable, but when we find someone difficult for us to love, it is often because they remind us of something within ourselves that we don't like. I learned that we must love our enemies - let go of anger, hate, envy, bitterness, and the refusal to forgive. These things destroy the spirit. We will have to account for how we treat others."

Dee Rhoe Dee Rhoe saw a Bright, White, Light and merged with it.  The Light gave her so much knowledge.  Here is her summation of what she experienced:

"It was all ultimate Joy beyond any depth of feeling that I had ever had before or since -- and gave me a sense of, that life is a joyful game to be played and that everything will work out perfectly O.K.-- sooner, if played joyfully well, with love ... and later if not.

With trust and love, we win the game."

Arthur Yensen "To understand God, I believe one would have to be almost as great as God is. Or at least be like Christ who was in harmony with God. On the other hand, salvation is simple. All one has to do is to love so unselfishly that his soul-vibrations will rise high enough to fit him into heaven."

I'm not finished.  This is a work in progress.  Come back again, later, please.




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